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Post by SHANE523 on Sept 10, 2018 14:36:38 GMT
I don't want to create a debate. What I am asking for are Pros for Sony to do it.
The only "Pro" that I can think of is options for players to play with their friends on other devices. BUT that it would not be a benefit unless it is Co-Op because PVP there would be a huge advantage for PC users.
So console to console:
Can anyone give me any other Pros? I have yet to get any other than the friends. Some claim a bigger pool of players available. I don't agree with that with Sony having, apparently, 2.5-1 in sales vs MS this gen out in the wild, the pool on the PS side is big and MS doesn't offer enough to make a difference.
I can think of several cons so I really don't need that. I am really interested in why people would want this.
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Post by I_KilledYouWithA on Sept 11, 2018 4:17:34 GMT
BUT that it would not be a benefit unless it is Co-Op because PVP there would be a huge advantage for PC users. That only really applies to shooters as that's the only genre that's generally playable on either control option. Consoles are also more than capable of letting players use kb&m and matchmaking can separate people based on their input method, assuming the playerbase is big enough to support being segmented like that. Alternatively, PS4 players can even the playing field with the gyroscpe, which is already becoming widely used on Switch shooters. For nearly every other genre, it's widely accepted that either controller or mouse & keyboard is the optimal input method outside of unique exceptions (like how Dustforce feels much better on a keyboard than a controller despite being a 2D platformer). There's absolutely nothing wrong with crossplay on Street Fighter, at least not on paper, to name an example. So console to console:
Can anyone give me any other Pros? I have yet to get any other than the friends. Some claim a bigger pool of players available. I don't agree with that with Sony having, apparently, 2.5-1 in sales vs MS this gen out in the wild, the pool on the PS side is big and MS doesn't offer enough to make a difference.
I can think of several cons so I really don't need that. I am really interested in why people would want this.
Your reason for dismissing the player pool claim only really works if we're talking about the Wii U. The Xbox One, while not thriving, is still getting by well enough. The damn thing even managed to out perform the PS4 in sales on occasion. If the PS4 sold 25 million and the Xbox One sold 10 million (pulling numbers out my ass because that good enough to make my point), that's still 10 million more players for you to play with. This is even without acknowledging that the Switch exists. Granted, the PS4 userbase is more than sizable enough to get by, but then there's the issue of friends with different platforms. As someone who owns a PS4, Switch, and Windows 7 PC, there's some people I simply can't play games with. I can't play games like Rainbow Six, GTA5, Dark Souls, or Titanfall 2 on my PS4 with my friends that may have the game on Xbox. Now, I haven't actually answered your question yet. Why should Sony enable crossplay with competing consoles? And the answer, to put it simply, is they shouldn't. Looking at this specifically from the perspective of business, it makes no sense. In a circle of friends, it's far more likely that there's going to be one (or if he's lucky, two) Xbox gamer among a group of PS4 gamers than it would be the other way around. Without crossplay, that lone Xbox gamer has to either buy a PS4 or fuck off if he want's to play with his friends. By blocking crossplay, Sony is leaching off of what MS has. Sony has made all sorts of excuses, but they're bullshiting, it's all about money. Looking at this from the perspective of the consumer, I've heard some interesting points made against this, but they only apply to console/pc crossplay, not crossplay between consoles. I don't see what the consumer has to lose from PS4 and Xbox/Switch players playing together, perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Post by SHANE523 on Sept 11, 2018 16:21:45 GMT
And that is where I am at. From a business perspective, this would be a huge mistake. There is no reward for the risk. Right now, per some articles, there are 103m PS4s, 40m Xbox and 16m Nintendo out in the wild. Sony is killing it in sales this gen, why give the competition any opening? I would also think that devs and publishers wouldn't want this, don't you think they would want unit sales, not 1 sale and be able to play on any platform? As a consumer perspective, the increase pool argument (which to me isn't really an issue with 103m in the wild), playing with friends, 1 license for any platform are the only pros. What others fail to think about is this could lead to lack of quality and innovation in games. IF this happened, wouldn't you worry that devs would develop to the lowest common denominator (weakest device)? To me, the reward (for Sony) is NO WHERE near the risk! MS has nothing to lose, they are 60m units behind this gen, even with a few months of outselling. With the exclusives, early content, pro gamers (console side) moving to PS, and lack of MS content announced I don't see this changing any time soon.
This would be as bad of a business decision as Blockbuster not buying Netflix!
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Post by I_KilledYouWithA on Sept 11, 2018 19:54:42 GMT
Those concerns seem like paranoia. Sony allowing crossplay with other consoles isn't going to hurt them at all. In fact, they can't even afford to gate keep their community forever. Once the next gen of consoles comes around, massive lead means nothing. For now, though, mostly everyone already have PS4's and crossplay isn't going to make their PS4's disappear. People prefer the PS4 and they're just going to keep playing on PS4. Even if someone is in the minority that only bought a PS4 to play with friends, there's a chance they might even keep buying games for PS4 rather than go back to Xbox. Hell, Nintendo has a console that runs games worse than their competition, if anyone should be worried about crossplay cutting into their profits, it's them.
So, yeah, there's no reward, but there's no risk either, at least not for this gen.
As for lack of innovation, I genuinely have no idea how we go from not having to buy on a specific console to games getting shittier. Multiplatform games are already programmed for crossplay today, though that is only enabled on dev builds, the fact that Epic accidentally enabled it for Fortnite for a few hours is proof enough, but other devs have also confessed that they had crossplay working and are waiting for Sony to give the go-ahead. Even Todd Howard gave Sony flack for this in an interview. So it's clearly not affecting the development of games, and I can't think of any other way this could affect quality. So I don't share your concern.
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Post by SHANE523 on Sept 12, 2018 14:24:35 GMT
If it is paranoia, then why didn't MS do it last gen? There is obviously a reason they wouldn't want this and it is most likely to keep market share. Now they are way behind and guess what, now they want it. They are in competition, they are not out to be the gamer friend. I want that competition, I want them trying to out do each other, that only benefits us.
Sony has a huge advantage right now and it is only getting bigger. MS has done NOTHING to bring players back, no good new titles, you can argue the S but that doesn't entice anyone if there is nothing to play. Sony is adding titles and looking to put their foot on MS throat which is good and bad for us.
There is cross play with PS and PC with some titles already, War Thunder for example and apparently Fortnite too. The cross play that is in question is only with MS apparently.
I cannot see this being no risk giving in to MS like you seem to think. Why buy a PS or another license if I can stay on my Xbox and cross play? IF a player wants to play a title but there is no one on MS but millions on PS, why would Sony say "just stay on your Xbox and play with us"? Wouldn't you think, as a business, they would say "buy our system and play with the millions"? Wouldn't that be the smart business decision?
We don't know if this gen will equal next gen BUT why give MS a chance to get back in? IF Sony can keep bringing people to PS with a quality system and better games, why give MS a chance when they are not doing the same? What Sony is doing is working and people see that and that may be enough to keep people next gen.
No risk still?
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